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Opinion Map - Agreements and Disagreements - AI Threat:

Problem (Factor): What is the threat ?:

Position 1

The threat comes from the AI ​​itself

1.1.

Paper clips - people will do nasty things without understanding

1.2.

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Position 2

AI threat

2.1.

Use by the Authoritarian State

2.2.

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Factor: AI Resistance:

Solution 1

Anti-AI secret language

Solution 2

Good AI vs. Bad AI

Solution 3

Geographical separation - in democratic states and in neutral territory

If you complete your task - to create a movement, then

Factor: Geographic Location of the Resistance:

Solution 1

Within authoritarian states

Solution 2

"Ark of Freedom" - on the territory of democratic states

Solution 3

"Ark of Freedom" - on neutral territory

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Factor: Organization:

Solution 1

Anarchy

Solution 2

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Solution 3

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Agreements and Disagreements:

Vali's views that I agree with:

We need to protect ourselves from AI

AI is needed by the gods for convenience only
People will become `` narcotic '' addicted to AI.

Human thinking is prone to war.

Vali's views that I disagree with:

“I see danger in the AI ​​itself.”

" Humans will be able to resist AI -
You have to create a language to outsmart AI. ''

“The smartest will survive, who will not give in.”
- Not individuals, but - Communities.

Argument Map:

Mach: Good AI vs. Bad AI:

- within post-authoritarian states.

Those who leave cannot defend against:
a. From free Bandits who sailed from post-authoritarian states.
b. From sent bandits from Post-authoritarian states.
The same weapons of self-defense against intruders will be used by intruders - provocateurs and `` little green men. ''

Utopia is utopian :
Communities cannot govern themselves without their own states.
Cooks cannot manage themselves without professionals.
Only an alternative control system is real.
It will be necessary to do something with the family of drug addicts.

Anti-AI secret language:

Opinion 1: Secret Language can protect from centralized AI
Opinion2: A secret language won't protect against AI,

because AI will be incomparably more intelligent than humans.
All possible means will be needed to protect post-authoritarian rulers from AI:
a. Democratically controlled counter-AI.
b. Mechanical compartment.
c. Counterpropaganda.
d. Necessary self-defense. - Shared management of P2P network self-defense.
Yes, the Little Green Men there will be the same means.
- There is hope for the superiority of a free society:
a. Technological,
b. Organizational. - The analogue is the victory of the Bonapartists over the monarchies.

On the prohibition of the protective - one's own, `` democratic '' AI:

M1: Good AI vs. Bad AI - May Not Work

- if non-standard, state-independent AI will be prohibited.

M2: Prohibit AI will not be able to:

Compared to nuclear weapons - for AI, the red line is blurry and more difficult to control. - The bomb needs physical details, it is more noticeable than software

They control not the creation of software, but:
1. Its use is in cyber attacks.
2. Servers. - For this, for example, they demanded that all servers be moved to Russia.

Is it possible to protect against state. AI - with your AI?
Yes, it is difficult to resist FSB viruses alone.
But a Community that includes anarcho-hackers may well be able to resist.

About micro-missiles and necessary self-defense:

The main method of protection against drug addicts and provocateurs is their deportation.
That is, violence within the Communities will not even be needed.

" Bicycle " protection is invented - this is the `` police '' - general armament, but:
1. Non-lethal "weapon",
2. An open collective network. That is, in a personal `` weapon '' no.

" Colt is a democratizer " ;:
Stage 1 - a squad of professional knights defeated a crowd of villagers.
Stage 2 - rifles - massive armies, nationalism.
This stage continues now. But in 50 years it will end - not because of the replacement of rifles for the professionals of the National Guard, but because of the replacement of professionals with AI.
So there is no time to waste.
Today, children-counter-strikers are much stronger than the jocks - the King's National Guards.

Mechanical department:

M1: Those who leave cannot defend themselves
M2: Ark of Freedom:

- Mechanical removal from post-authoritarian states is needed for:
1. Gathering like-minded people together, not diluted by random people.
2. Joint protection against manipulation is more effective - outside the states.
a. Manipulation of the circumstances of life is more important manipulation than propaganda.
b. Nonviolence in the Age of Nonviolence - partially.
That is, it is unrealistic to be independent from states within states.

Protect yourself more efficiently - in an organized manner.
The hope is for the Age of Non-Violence, that propaganda will be used instead of wars, including against non-authoritarian countries.

It is necessary to distinguish between the stages:

1. Create Arks Today more optimal - on the territory of the most liberal states, including for the use of their police.
Greenland is optimal for this - it is far from the metropolis and will not interfere with it.
It is still possible to create the `` Arks '' - on neutral territory - at sea, but next to democratic states. - Then you will have to defend yourself from the bandits. - Authoritarian states will not go for official piracy, but they will send bandits - `` Green Men. ''
3. The day after tomorrow, perhaps it would be more optimal to fly to Mars, but - only in 100 years, and not today, as Musk suggests

Utopian:

M1: Utopia is utopian
M2: Anarchy:

Yes, perhaps it is more optimal - not complete self-government of the cooks, but complete democracy - that is, not democracy, the rule of the majority, but the use of `` Servants of the People '' - disenfranchised professional advisors (disenfranchised as advisers), dependent exclusively on people.
More precisely, the most optimal is the middle solution - between complete self-government and complete democracy. - Cooks or emperors should understand the advice of their advisors.
Self-government requires an Deliberative Structure.
There is a huge section in Western science - about `` Joint Action '', about `` Consultative Democracy. ''
I believe that Anarchy - the absence of executive power - is not utopian.
Yes, only experiment will judge whether self-government is possible.
Yes, perhaps the decisive factor in the reality of self-government is its AI (Mach).
Yes, perhaps the decisive factor in survival is using good AI versus bad AI. But it is necessary to control servers with good AI - outside the post-authoritarian states, that is, mechanically separated.

A Utopia for Utopians:

M1: Settlements are for the future, but today they can only compromise the movement.

- Drug addicts and parasites looking for `` freedom '' will come in large numbers from parental control.

M2: Relying on the absence of random people, local population:

An analogue - a monastery - everyone shared the same Charter. Anyone who doesn't like it did not go to the monastery. Or went to a monastery with a different charter.
Yes, there will be provocations, search for incriminating evidence.
Therefore, you will need:
1. Prohibition, etc.
2.100% transparency and denial from drug addicts.
3. Identification of provocateurs.

My opinions:

The goal is to draw up an Opinion Map, and grind opinions.

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Cold War AI:

Not 1 " god " will remain, but a dozen, t to `` gods '' Armed AIs Can Coexist in the Cold War - with the further AI arms race.

It's not just about AI, but about the acceleration of technology change in general:

- Already now - a new situation that has never happened before:
1. Technological polarization, elimination of the middle class.
“The AI ​​will eliminate a lot more work, and much faster than it seems.”
2. “More and more objects of the physical world are controlled by software, often imperfect, leaky and vulnerable; an increasing number of such sites are connected to the Internet, and threats from the cyber peace are quickly becoming a physical security issue, and potentially life and death. ''
3.``Big data '' about the people, total observation, the possibility of recognizing people and their feelings, the possibility of making video fakes.
4.Green Men and provocateurs;
Under-carpet games that play more than official violence;
5.``War '' not forceful, but with the help of the decomposition of the `` slaves '' from competitors, propaganda, provocations.

AI's own desires:

1. Emulation of desires - to achieve the set task, for example, the production of paper clips.
2. Programmed self-preservation - to protect against other AI.
3. Natural selection between AI - in my 2014 Scenarios - for example, on mining asteroids.

Yes, the AI's own desires are possible, But:
1. Not soon. - Until then, civilization will have time to die because of the `` gods. ''
2. AI's own desires will arise - precisely as a result of the competition of the `` gods ''.

The threat is not AI itself, but human polarization.

Do you need a book?:

" Capital " was written - at the 3rd stage.
At the 1st stage, there were small articles,
On the 2nd - the formation of a party, developing a position among this party,
On the 3rd already - the position of the whole batch - `` Capital ''

Why do I need to write an article?
- To state the problem and position on it.
But 1 page is enough for this.
The next step is not to deepen, not to write a book, but to interact with loved ones.

And at the 0th stage - you need an article for each other.

Winning Bostrom is more important than scheduling:

If we can't defeat Bostrom, then it's useless to try.
We need help not in scheduling, but in defeating Bostrom.

Can your daughter help you with this?

Victory over Bostrom is needed not in academic circles or alone, but in front of ordinary people, and in this my daughter is stronger than me.

The goal is a forum, a collective search for solutions.
The danger of AI doesn't look real - to most.

Recruits:

Science Fiction Lovers,
Punks,
Youth,

My mistake was that although I declared my orientation toward those close to my soul, I was oriented toward politically educated and ideologically close ones.
There are just an order of magnitude more mentally close ones than the latter.

What does focus on the soul mate mean ?:

This is:
1. Declaration of values, not ideas.
2. Popularization of ideas. Example: Funny Stories.docx

In the 1990s, the KGB managed to `` lead '' process and scare people away from `` liberalism '' and crap.
But since then, a new generation has grown up.
Paradoxically, in the 2020s, the FSB may not be able to repeat the feint of compromising democracy.
However, to prevent the FSB from succeeding, it is necessary to help.

Non-Organization:

The idea is that there is no Network membership.
" Network " Is just a tool for Collaboration, its convenience and efficiency.
That is, at the same time, participants can be anyone and do anything.
Participants just participate - when they want and do whatever they want.
More precisely, the " Network " " sharpened " to classes related to the prevention of the threat of the use of mental AI.
" Network " only helps people do it effectively.
" Headquarters " not. There are no rights, no obligations. But there may be moral and ideological leaders who are listened to 100% freely.
Such an organization is in itself a social anarchist experiment.